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	<title>Comments on: Percona performance conference</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Bergen</title>
		<link>http://dom.as/2009/02/06/percona-performance-conference/#comment-1460</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Bergen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saying the Percona conference and the MySQL conference cover the same topics is ridiculous.  The MySQL conference is a combination of, using mysql with foo, how Sun can save you lots of money if you pay them lots of money, and partner sales presentations. None of this is interesting to most of the MySQL community.

What I think is interesting is presentations about the problems in MySQL and how they can be corrected or worked around. The MySQL community finds a lot of problems in MySQL and they also fix a lot of these problems. That&#039;s interesting to me, &quot;MySQL empowers mission critical financial system&quot; is not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying the Percona conference and the MySQL conference cover the same topics is ridiculous.  The MySQL conference is a combination of, using mysql with foo, how Sun can save you lots of money if you pay them lots of money, and partner sales presentations. None of this is interesting to most of the MySQL community.</p>
<p>What I think is interesting is presentations about the problems in MySQL and how they can be corrected or worked around. The MySQL community finds a lot of problems in MySQL and they also fix a lot of these problems. That&#8217;s interesting to me, &#8220;MySQL empowers mission critical financial system&#8221; is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Baron</title>
		<link>http://dom.as/2009/02/06/percona-performance-conference/#comment-1459</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How many community talks are there, really?

http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2009/02/06/towards-more-diversity-of-speakers-at-mysql-conference-and-expo/

BTW, if &quot;works for a company trying to make money from MySQL&quot; is the criterion, you shouldn&#039;t regard Sheeri, Ronald Bradford etc as community members.  They are exactly the same as Percona employees in that regard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many community talks are there, really?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2009/02/06/towards-more-diversity-of-speakers-at-mysql-conference-and-expo/" rel="nofollow">http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2009/02/06/towards-more-diversity-of-speakers-at-mysql-conference-and-expo/</a></p>
<p>BTW, if &#8220;works for a company trying to make money from MySQL&#8221; is the criterion, you shouldn&#8217;t regard Sheeri, Ronald Bradford etc as community members.  They are exactly the same as Percona employees in that regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Bouman</title>
		<link>http://dom.as/2009/02/06/percona-performance-conference/#comment-1458</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roland Bouman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi!

like Mark I was part of the reviewers.

I can confirm that a number (but certainly not all) of the Percona talks received good grades. I personally expected about 2 to 4 of their talks to be scheduled.

I do not know how any detail regarding the selection process after the grading process so I can only guess.

HTH,

Roland]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!</p>
<p>like Mark I was part of the reviewers.</p>
<p>I can confirm that a number (but certainly not all) of the Percona talks received good grades. I personally expected about 2 to 4 of their talks to be scheduled.</p>
<p>I do not know how any detail regarding the selection process after the grading process so I can only guess.</p>
<p>HTH,</p>
<p>Roland</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik Ingo</title>
		<link>http://dom.as/2009/02/06/percona-performance-conference/#comment-1457</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henrik Ingo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Baron, Mark: We of course did ask as soon as it became apparent, and we got the explanation that the results are what they are as a result of the selection process, fair and unmanipulated. I have no evidence and not much reason to doubt that it is true.

But my main point is, before making the final selection, someone should have made some decisions to override the fair selection process *in favor* of percona and possibly some others that Mark mentions. If nothing else, it should have been done because not accepting a single talk from these independent consultants will look odd, regardless of whether it happened through no evil deeds on Sun&#039;s behalf. At the same time, the balance between some other topics could have been corrected too (less memcahced, just to name a simple example, no personal hatred intended :-)

Sometimes the pure dynamics of election rules may have imperfect effects, we can only look at the recent history of some bi-partisan nations here:-)

But, like I said, better late than never :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Baron, Mark: We of course did ask as soon as it became apparent, and we got the explanation that the results are what they are as a result of the selection process, fair and unmanipulated. I have no evidence and not much reason to doubt that it is true.</p>
<p>But my main point is, before making the final selection, someone should have made some decisions to override the fair selection process *in favor* of percona and possibly some others that Mark mentions. If nothing else, it should have been done because not accepting a single talk from these independent consultants will look odd, regardless of whether it happened through no evil deeds on Sun&#8217;s behalf. At the same time, the balance between some other topics could have been corrected too (less memcahced, just to name a simple example, no personal hatred intended :-)</p>
<p>Sometimes the pure dynamics of election rules may have imperfect effects, we can only look at the recent history of some bi-partisan nations here:-)</p>
<p>But, like I said, better late than never :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Callaghan</title>
		<link>http://dom.as/2009/02/06/percona-performance-conference/#comment-1456</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Callaghan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Henrik - I don&#039;t know why Percona had no proposals accepted. I think it was odd. I am very disappointed by this.

Anyone blaming Percona should understand what happened. Most of us, including myself, will never know.

I reviewed proposals but did not select them. Reviewers grade the proposals, but MySQL selects them. Some of their proposals received decent scores. They could have been improved with feedback, but that was not done. After it became clear that Percona had no talks, I asked people on the inside why this happened. That email received no response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Henrik &#8211; I don&#8217;t know why Percona had no proposals accepted. I think it was odd. I am very disappointed by this.</p>
<p>Anyone blaming Percona should understand what happened. Most of us, including myself, will never know.</p>
<p>I reviewed proposals but did not select them. Reviewers grade the proposals, but MySQL selects them. Some of their proposals received decent scores. They could have been improved with feedback, but that was not done. After it became clear that Percona had no talks, I asked people on the inside why this happened. That email received no response.</p>
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		<title>By: Baron</title>
		<link>http://dom.as/2009/02/06/percona-performance-conference/#comment-1455</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Henrik, why don&#039;t you ask Colin Charles directly if you&#039;re wondering what happened?  Go on, demand a straight answer; you deserve it.  If it&#039;s an unintentional mistake there&#039;s nothing to hide.

I give huge credit to whoever at Sun/MySQL turned the boat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henrik, why don&#8217;t you ask Colin Charles directly if you&#8217;re wondering what happened?  Go on, demand a straight answer; you deserve it.  If it&#8217;s an unintentional mistake there&#8217;s nothing to hide.</p>
<p>I give huge credit to whoever at Sun/MySQL turned the boat.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik Ingo</title>
		<link>http://dom.as/2009/02/06/percona-performance-conference/#comment-1454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henrik Ingo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mark: While none of us generally can share much of the internal discussion of our companies, I guess it is fair to say that of course the end result of these well known and respected community members not being selected as speakers raised questions on the internal MySQL mailing lists. Since I wasn&#039;t part of the selection process (like you), I have no choice than to believe this was a surprising outcome of a non-manipulated and fair selection process. I see it somewhat believable - maybe for instance individuals thought &quot;I have nothing against Percona but I&#039;m not gonna vote for all 12 of their submissions...&quot; or something, and as a result none of them were selected. (This is the &quot;Eurovision Song Contest theory&quot;, where 12 good mainstream songs will always loose against one that stands out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZPtfUOwO4) There is another trait in the conference schedule supporting that: Why the HEL (airport) do we have a days worth of memcached talks? Sure, it is part of the MySQL Enterprise subscription to support memcached, but the world does not revolve around it.

So even if it may have been fully unintentional, at some point someone should have looked at the big picture and corrected these imbalances (and I do mean specifically the memcached stuff :-), overriding the voting results (or redoing them) if needed.

FWIW, I understand that &quot;correcting&quot; these mistakes came much by initiative from our management. To me it shows that we may make mistakes, but we are not stupid or petty enough not to be able to correct them too. That&#039;s kind of comforting.

(Ok so there are still other people left out. Get over it, my talk wasn&#039;t accepted either - of course, I go there for free anyway. But for sure this year if not before, there are more mysql consultants and experts than what can fit into one conference. One way or another, not everyone can be a speaker anymore.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark: While none of us generally can share much of the internal discussion of our companies, I guess it is fair to say that of course the end result of these well known and respected community members not being selected as speakers raised questions on the internal MySQL mailing lists. Since I wasn&#8217;t part of the selection process (like you), I have no choice than to believe this was a surprising outcome of a non-manipulated and fair selection process. I see it somewhat believable &#8211; maybe for instance individuals thought &#8220;I have nothing against Percona but I&#8217;m not gonna vote for all 12 of their submissions&#8230;&#8221; or something, and as a result none of them were selected. (This is the &#8220;Eurovision Song Contest theory&#8221;, where 12 good mainstream songs will always loose against one that stands out. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZPtfUOwO4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZPtfUOwO4</a>) There is another trait in the conference schedule supporting that: Why the HEL (airport) do we have a days worth of memcached talks? Sure, it is part of the MySQL Enterprise subscription to support memcached, but the world does not revolve around it.</p>
<p>So even if it may have been fully unintentional, at some point someone should have looked at the big picture and corrected these imbalances (and I do mean specifically the memcached stuff :-), overriding the voting results (or redoing them) if needed.</p>
<p>FWIW, I understand that &#8220;correcting&#8221; these mistakes came much by initiative from our management. To me it shows that we may make mistakes, but we are not stupid or petty enough not to be able to correct them too. That&#8217;s kind of comforting.</p>
<p>(Ok so there are still other people left out. Get over it, my talk wasn&#8217;t accepted either &#8211; of course, I go there for free anyway. But for sure this year if not before, there are more mysql consultants and experts than what can fit into one conference. One way or another, not everyone can be a speaker anymore.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mikael Ronstrom</title>
		<link>http://dom.as/2009/02/06/percona-performance-conference/#comment-1453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mikael Ronstrom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 11:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is an obvious conflict with competing for business and
working together on improving the MySQL software. It&#039;s fairly
new for the MySQL community to have this situation. I view
this event as a learning experience. Personally I don&#039;t think
it&#039;s possible to close anyone out from conferences. Just look
at Intel/AMD, AMD always had an alternative conference the
hotel next to the Intel Developer&#039;s conference.

Personally I&#039;ve always thrived in a competitive situation. It usually
increases the value of the community since more innovation is
required to stay ahead of your competitor and this increases the
value of the MySQL community and enables us to increase the
impact of MySQL in the IT world. The great thing about open source
is that you will have to share your results with the community so
even though you&#039;re competing for business there will always be
cooperation on the development of the source code.

My personal trait on behaving as a good community member in
this situation is to focus on displaying your own positive
characteristics and showing what you&#039;ve done to innovate.
Comparisons to other happens through benchmarks of various
sorts, both company-specific and open source benchmarks and
standard benchmarks.

Lastly I would like to give special credit to the work done by
Mark Callaghan and his team at Google. I&#039;ve had the
opportunity to play around with their patches and really found
them to be easy to understand and really stable. So if I had
an award to give out on the MySQL Community Contribution
of the year I&#039;d certainly give it to them. Disclaimer: I don&#039;t have
such an award to give out :)

So finally much looking forward to meeting at the MySQL Users
Conference week and seeing what everyone is up to and
sharing our ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an obvious conflict with competing for business and<br />
working together on improving the MySQL software. It&#8217;s fairly<br />
new for the MySQL community to have this situation. I view<br />
this event as a learning experience. Personally I don&#8217;t think<br />
it&#8217;s possible to close anyone out from conferences. Just look<br />
at Intel/AMD, AMD always had an alternative conference the<br />
hotel next to the Intel Developer&#8217;s conference.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;ve always thrived in a competitive situation. It usually<br />
increases the value of the community since more innovation is<br />
required to stay ahead of your competitor and this increases the<br />
value of the MySQL community and enables us to increase the<br />
impact of MySQL in the IT world. The great thing about open source<br />
is that you will have to share your results with the community so<br />
even though you&#8217;re competing for business there will always be<br />
cooperation on the development of the source code.</p>
<p>My personal trait on behaving as a good community member in<br />
this situation is to focus on displaying your own positive<br />
characteristics and showing what you&#8217;ve done to innovate.<br />
Comparisons to other happens through benchmarks of various<br />
sorts, both company-specific and open source benchmarks and<br />
standard benchmarks.</p>
<p>Lastly I would like to give special credit to the work done by<br />
Mark Callaghan and his team at Google. I&#8217;ve had the<br />
opportunity to play around with their patches and really found<br />
them to be easy to understand and really stable. So if I had<br />
an award to give out on the MySQL Community Contribution<br />
of the year I&#8217;d certainly give it to them. Disclaimer: I don&#8217;t have<br />
such an award to give out :)</p>
<p>So finally much looking forward to meeting at the MySQL Users<br />
Conference week and seeing what everyone is up to and<br />
sharing our ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Domas Mituzas</title>
		<link>http://dom.as/2009/02/06/percona-performance-conference/#comment-1452</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Domas Mituzas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 10:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vadim, it would suck if you were actually banned from C&amp;E, and I definitely do not support that. I really like the work you are doing - and I&#039;d be glad to hear about it.

Probably not everyone knows how valuable it is, and providing great abstracts is like providing good CV, nobody is able to reject them then :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vadim, it would suck if you were actually banned from C&amp;E, and I definitely do not support that. I really like the work you are doing &#8211; and I&#8217;d be glad to hear about it.</p>
<p>Probably not everyone knows how valuable it is, and providing great abstracts is like providing good CV, nobody is able to reject them then :)</p>
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		<title>By: VadimTk</title>
		<link>http://dom.as/2009/02/06/percona-performance-conference/#comment-1451</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VadimTk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Domas,

We are not banned from &quot;Velocity&quot; conference as we were from &quot;MySQL C&amp;E&quot;, so we will take part there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Domas,</p>
<p>We are not banned from &#8220;Velocity&#8221; conference as we were from &#8220;MySQL C&amp;E&#8221;, so we will take part there.</p>
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